Alright... I am not a contestant in NCC, but being an active member of the cosplay community in general, I have heard a lot of concerns, views and comments about the subject on hand, thus I created this topic here.

I am concerned and some people in the community in general, voiced out their concerns to me already, but they themselves are not voicing it out to the whole community for their own personal reason/s. There are already those who openly voiced out their oppinions about it, but they were OTly ridiculed and given character attacks in return.

I suppose, it never hurts to be the one to talk about it, so that the organizers of the event can improve it next year, if they wish to continue it. For now... I wish all those who would like to participate in this topic to be:

1. open-minded and respectful about other people's personal opinion
2. objective in portraying their own
3. productive and intellectual in giving possible solution, suggestions and alternatives that the organizers may use next year

Here goes....

Online voting is great, and makes it easier to be accessible to anyone to vote the cosplayer of their choice with just a few clicks. However, it has one undeniable flaw; anyone can register multiple accounts so that they can vote their favored cosplayers again and again.

I believe a lot of people in the community would not opt to do this, but we can't deny that there are people who are capable of doing it. It may be hard to prove, that certain accounts are multiples/duplicates. However it is so obviously undeniable that this is being done already, and a lot of people already noticed it. Making people doubt the legibility of this system to be used in picking of the winners.

Next year, if it is possible if, they can put a certain requirement for members before they can actually vote. I’m thinking, the member should have at least 20 posts, and member for at least 3 months. If not, as many others already suggested, cell phone voting costing 10 – 15 pesos per vote, that way people will think twice before voting again and again. Profits of the said system will be used at the organizer’s discretion. They can use it as the cash prize or the cosplay event itself, or be utilized as prizes for the other activities or maybe given charitable organizations.

Yeah! Multiple account people should burn in hell!

Its uber unfair to the others...

Dapat 1 vote per IP adress ^^

e wala tayong magagawa dyan, ganun talaga yun

Polence, mind if i quote you and put this complaint/suggestion in filcosplay.tk?

dear... problem naman... paano yung mga members na magkapamilya, using the same computer?^_^;

@sinackular

umm... pwede po ba post mo na lang yung link sa topic?^_^;

Online man yan o text, hindi pa din mapipigilan ang mga multiple accounts. Lalo na kung gusto talaga makasali ng contestant sa Top50. Syempre yayayain niya yung family, friends, classmates, pati na rin officemates para bumoto.

Siguro yung pinakasafe na paraan ay:

1) Nakaregister ang real name ng mga voters, hindi yung mga alyas. Nattrack naman siguro yun lalo na sa e-mail. Kaya kahit ilan pang e-mail yung gawin niya, hindi na siguro makakalusot yun.

2) Merong age limit ang mga voters. Kung pwede 13 & up lang ang pwedeng bumoto. Malay niyo meron ding mga batang bumoboto dito. Malalaman yun sa birthdate sa kanilang registration. Kaya pag palpak yung nilagay dun na birthdate, sorry na lang siya.

3) Required ang telephone number sa registration. Tatawagan at icoconfirm kung meron ngang nag-eexist na name na niregister niya. Syempre tatanungin din ang birthday at iba pang mahalagang info. (pero masyado na yata tong hi-tech para magawa pa hehehe!)

4) Dapat ang bawat nagreregister na voters ay binibigyan ng unique voting number. Syempre nakasave na din sa data nila yung number na yun kaya madaling mattrack kung gumagawa nga sila ng double account. Yung unique number na din ang pinaka-ID nila para bumoto.

5) Siguro kailangan din ng at least 5-question Cosplay IQ test. Dun malalaman kung aware ang voter sa ginagawa niya at hindi siya pinilit bumoto. Dun din malalaman kung gaano katanda yung voter XD

Yun lang ang masasabi ko hehe!

good suggestions... I just hope that the organizers can have enough resources and their own commitee to do those things^_^;

why not use that Hero membership thing to vote.^_^ at least may ID na di ba?^_^

^_^

waheheheheh!.... :lol:

puede din pong i-invite nalang natin sila dito sa forum. ^_^

@ polence

yup! tama yung i-respect and i-understand ang opinion ng iba...

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Sa palagay ko mga desperado nalang yung gumagawa ng multiple account

para makasali sa top 50 or to win in this event.. ^_^

I respect yung sistema na ginawa ng NCC...

alam naman nila yung ginagawa nila...

Netcraft rates cosplay.ph a maximum fraud risk.

Hosting on a trusted site, plus qualified third-party auditing, would go a long way in protecting the integrity of your online vote.

@Mike: Parang nakita ko na yan ah! XD

Oh well, goodluck sa lahat. Meron pa namang on-the-spot voting sa event eh so makakahabol naman yung iba for sure!

hehe cguro nga may mga gumagawa or may balak
gumawa ng multiple account pra lng makapasok sa top 50
medyo LAME naman na paraan un
mas ok na cguro bitbitin ang buong barangay sa Ozinefest pra bumoto on-site

atleast hindi nagkakage-bunshin effect diba

btw minor award lng naman ung may most votes di ba??
pero dahil sa isyu na to malamang uulanin ng controversy ung winner ng nasabing award

True... siguro nga desperado lang talaga yung mga gagawa nun.

About what you said about respecting the organizers: Just to clarify, this topic is not about questioning the character of the organizers or a matter of trusting them. This is about resolving/finding a solution to the matter at hand: the flaws in the NCC voting system.

Saying something like "just trust us, we know what we are doing" doesn't give a concrete and definite answer or resolve any questions about it. Besides, it's the first time they used this, so there is always room for improvements for next year if they should continue it.^_^ Thus, I created this topic, so that if they are reading this, they can have a handful of suggestions as to what possible alternatives they can use next year.^_^


@Michy

The voting plays an important role in choosing the final winners, not just a basis on choosing who's on the top 50. I wish, though, that they just give special awards to those who have the highest votes. Since the voting system is abused, it makes the result inconsequential to be used in choosing the deserving winners.

I agree....dahil sa kagagawan ng iba, kawawa naman yung mananalo.

btw iannounce ba nila ung final 50??
hmm cguro mas ok kung di na nila gawin ung top 50 with most votes lng ung qualified for the awards

well prang popularity contest lng naman ung mangyayari dyan sa voting e
well that's my opinion
ksi medyo maliit lng ung time pra further i advertise ung event/contest
so ung mga cosplay community ang talgang informed

Burn in hell!

hahahaha multiple account voter ka noh?

:P

yes, let's all admit that it's nice to be included in the TOP 50... but using multiple accounts just to be IN is not a really good idea... maybe you could ask your friends or colleagues na lang to vote for you... and honestly that's what i did, but not literally on my part... i've asked them to go to the voting poll to vote my choice (neil) but some gave their votes to me when they saw my entry... didn't expect that though... but thankful anyways... share ko lang...

I admit, gusto ko din iboto yung mga friends ko kaso 1 lang pwede, kaya wala na kong magagawa.

kung tutuusin madali lang talaga gumawa ng sandamukal na accounts..
kung ako nga marami akong e-mail adds..
to be honest naisip ko na rin yan gawin...
pero i wouldn't go that low..
hindi ako desperado at lalong hindi ako mandurugas..
i'm not the type na gagawin kahit unfair para sa iba para manalo lang ang bet ko..
saka lahat naman siguro ng cosplayers mas nanaisin na manalo sa malinis na paraan..
at higit sa lahat may tiwala ako sa kakayanan ng bet ko..

ang problema rin kasi sa online voting, walang batayan... walang criteria..
basta gusto mo iboto, malaya mong magagawa..
kung tutuusin, hindi naman bumuboto ang marami dahil astig ang costume ng cosplayer...
usually dahil lang yan sa kaibigan mo yung tao...
kaya nga siguro yung maraming ka-close na cosplayers, sila yung nahihirapan ibigay ang natatanging boto nila..

hmm...I have a Netcraft on my pc...and I'm wondering about this result:





can you give me a reason for those? thanks.

Bots can change their evaluations based on new data. There's still no qualified third-party auditor to guarantee the integrity of the vote.

I haven't even mentioned other security precautions cosplay.ph could've easily applied, but didn't: HTTPS, SSL, TRUSTe. Chloebs even suggested inexpensive VoIP verification.

Jerry is right. "Just trust us" won't cut it.

ok...I got your point there...but with regards to the voting system...Jerry has a point there regarding multiple-account creation for the online voting for NCC and we can't discount that fact since in every online voting there is always people who are so-desperate doing all possible means just to qualify...am I right?

i think the organizers have lots of options regarding this matter...I don't underestimate them...so I hope the same goes with all of you.

and besides...Internet/Cyber Law here in the Philippines or even around the world isn't that concrete yet...so...in other words, when it comes to the internet...anything can happen!

sana hindi maging basis yung online voting sa decision ng top 50... sana parang style-SCQ nalang na may special award lang o kaya "Online-Voters' choice" chuva... kasi unfair naman... daming mga desperado sa panahon ngaun

^
i agree

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basta bottom-line is cheating is lame
mga uber desperado nlng cguro gagawa ng multiple acc
i personnaly dun care kung cheater ung manalo nung award
im just happy to be participating
tsaka 1st NCC plng naman
next year sana ala na ung issue na to

Please explain to me a accurate meaning of fraud in the internet terms?


if you do so.... enumerate how can you say that it is fraud or not?



now for me do you know that netcraft is a freeware and not a registered software?

due to if its a freeware or a shareware there is no basis that theire evaluation is correct or accurate. Please dont be too judgmental about a website, and one thing if you say about fraud look at your self first at the mirror before judging other's.


Sorry po wantan for being too agitating about the forum or website I just don't like people judging too much about others while them selves are too annoying.


"This announcement is Blot to u by: Mami Instant Cookie where the cookie is eaten already" and " My name is dasku and i love to fight [Finley 1:1 WWE] "

daksu, kaya nga sa umpisa pa lang sinabi na ni ms polence na sana mga open-minded na tao ang makaunawa dito..

hindi naman yung site talaga yung may problema..
wala lang matibay na pamantayan ang online voting..
eto kasi yung problema, isang beses ka lang pwedeng bumoto..
eh kung tulad ba naman yan nung ibang text vote/ online votes nung mga contest sa tv okay lang..
ini-encourage pa nila yung mga tao na bumoto as much as they want..

ang punto kasi dito, sa pagkakaalam ng marami, if not lahat, ito yung isa sa basis para makapasok ka sa top 50..

kung sa palagay mo ay hinuhusgahan namin yung site na yun, nagkakamali ka..
pero di ba dapat mas matuwa pa kayo kasi inilalatag na namin sa harapan nyo yung nakita naming "flaw"..
at least we are able to verbalize our thoughts..

kung naiirita ka sa ibang tao dito, eto lang yan, wag mong personalin ang mga bagay-bagay..
may mga tao ngang nakakairita pero wag mong lahatin..
hindi naman yun ang core ng pinag-uusapan..

kung fraud din naman ang site na ito (yun naman talaga ini-imply mo, tama ba? may pa-mirror mirror pang nalalaman ^_^ ), ikaw lang may pananaw na ganun..
kung yan ang rebattle statement mo, ba't ka nagmember ng pc?

yung mga sinasabi ng mga tao sa thread na ito ay hindi naman official stand ng buong forum..
hindi rin naman iginigiit ng pc na gawin ito ng nasabing site..
suhestyon lang..
kaya walang dahilan para ma-annoy tayo... ^_^

:lol:

Wakokokokok! :D

Asa! :P

kailangan ko pa ba yan?...

Manalo, Matalo cosplay for life! ;)

Ok the argument is all about the credibility of the online voting system, am I right people? As I review your posts, all of you are concerned about the multiple accounts. Guys, you treat this as a problem perplexing on itself. Multiple accounts is already inevitable. I therefore conclude that you guys equate multiple accounts to online voting cheating. It is in the discretion of the multiple account holders of how to use them to their vote. But it would be unfair enough to say that they already cheated because they vote more than once? Can you pin-point people who use multiple accounts to vote one cosplayer? Can you pin-point people who use multiple accounts to vote more than one cosplayer? YOU CAN'T!!!!!!!! Even the national elections have this kind of problem. The same person who uses different names just to vote one candidate, or people who have the same names, or even people who are not able to vote because their names are ommitted on the list of registered voters by mistake? The main problem is about the voters' choice, not the voting system per se.

To all people concerned, can you enumerate the parameters of online fraud? Some of you concluded that a site is 100% fraud? Please defend it for the sake of transparency.

Ok guys I ask you this, are you doubtful of the online voting system itself or are you doubtful of the people behind the online voting system? If yes, can you contribute something concrete to eliminate vote cheating to any organizers you can encounter?

Qualified third-party auditing, HTTPS, SSL, VoIP verification, SMS verification...

Y'know, all the stuff cosplay.ph could've done, but didn't.

Third party auditing?? That's seems unapplicable for an online setting. As you know, results are on a progression basis. And the numerical data is not on a one-to-one basis. As some guys around here are concerned on multiple accounts, in a mathematical approach, it is either a one-to-many relationship or a many-to-one relationship; talking about permutation. How can you audit the results if the output is permutated? And the auditing part is nested to many groups if you are dealing to multiple account verification. The main concern is all about the number distribution, not online source verification. And the third party auditing will aggrevate the problem and not providing a concrete solution. Just take a look at beauty contests. Those criterias are one the one-to-one relationship and that data needs to be audited. But if you apply third party auditing on an online setting, how can you equate your permutated output in a single input? Voters can set their own criteria beyond the valid parameters of audited choices. I hope you get what I mean, Mr. Abundo.

SMS? How sure are you if the voters don't change their SIM cards? That's the same case of online votes. The results are still permutated. The problem is still there times two. There's money involved here and they are required to pay taxes just to push through this SMS voting.

nako wag nmn sana masyadong uminit d2.. ehehehe. walang personalan XD

bumoto lng ng isang beses para masaya! if you want to make multiple accnts its your perogative wakokoko.. XD

basta ako bumoto na!.. hehe.. kahit sa election may dayaan.. pati ba nmn sa cosplay may flying voters? LMAO.. theres always room for improvement.. kaya suggest lng kayo :D




Mabuhay ang mga Cosplayers! :D

@dasku: Ako ba kinakausap mo dyan? Si Mike po nagpost niyan hindi ako XD Wala nga akong alam sa Netcraft eh lololol!